"RARE Bob Dylan"
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Subject: RARE Bob Dylan
Boy are we excited. just yesterday a woman with a small and otherwise unpromising looking box of records walked in and sold us a few items. Among them was a mono copy of "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan". I bought it of course thinking it to be one of the ordinary pressings. Maybe worth $25 - $30 bucks. Boy - was i wrong. It turned out to be "The One", that is a first pressing mono copy WITH THE FOUR DELETED TRACKS!!! Dial up our web site to see it http://www.soundexchange.com/vinyl/lp/AthruF/d/dylan/dylan.html [This link is no longer active-Ed.] or if you've got $8000.00 you'd like to spend on a record feel free to give us a yell at 1-800-445-0500 sound exchange (houston, tx.) over and out -- Sound Exchange Posse |Collectible LP's & 7" Sold| "Where customer firstname.lastname@example.org|Hats Blocked While U Wait | service is just a www.soundexchange.com | 1-Hour Martinizing | couple of words!"
Response Number 1:Subject: Re: RARE Bob Dylan
Date: 19 Feb 1997 00:51:31 GMT
From: danielle wilmore
I'm sure the woman who sold it to you would be very pleased to hear of your good fortune.
Response Number 2:Subject: Re: RARE Bob Dylan
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:01:53 +0400
From: corbin krug
email@example.com (Sound Exchange Posse) wrote: > Boy are we excited. We're happy for you. > Among them was a mono copy of "The Freewheelin' > Bob Dylan". > I bought it of course thinking it to be > one of the ordinary pressings. Maybe worth > $25 - $30 bucks. Hmm...pretty ubiquitous in mono or stereo. Must not get many copies in Houston. > Boy - was i wrong. > It turned out to be "The One", that is a first > pressing mono copy WITH THE FOUR DELETED TRACKS!!! > or if you've got > $8000.00 > you'd like to spend on a record > feel free to give us a yell The very best of luck in getting your asking price!
Response Number 3:Subject: Re: RARE Bob Dylan
Date: 20 FEB 97 20:51:20 GMT
From: >Mark London
Yeah. I wonder if the Houston newspapers would be interested in knowing about a record store that just ripped off a woman for $8000. Mark London MRL@PSFC.MIT.EDU
Response Number 4:Subject: Re: RARE Bob Dylan
Date: 21 Feb 1997 20:46:54 -0800
From: Joseph Levy
firstname.lastname@example.org says... > "Where customer > service is just a > couple of words!" Anyone care to venture what those words might be?
In Defense Of Kevin + Other IssuesSubject: Re: RARE Bob Dylan
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:56:15 GMT
From: Norm Katuna
Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace.vinyl, rec.music.collecting.vinyl
--------------------------------------------------------------- On 12/20/52 Billboard magazine reviewed Chance 1127, Dr. Jo Jo Adams-----"I've Got A Crazy Baby", rating it at a 74. --------------------------------------------------------------- Most people responding to this and making comments aren't taking into account the whole picture. First off. How many of you have had the rare version of this? Raise your hands. Now everybody don't raise your hands at once. Gee it is truly a rarity. Do you automatically assume that every copy of this that you see is that one biggie?. Of course not, at least I don't. Kevin says that he thought that this was just one of those normal everyday versions and then he got around to playing it later and found out that, oops, it's the biggie. To me fraud would have been knowing it was the biggie at the time of purchase. Only the real Dylan experts know that the size of one of the tracks on the rare album is a little larger than the normal one. I was shown this once, but have forgotten. I haven't the faintest idea which track to look for. I'd have to play the record to find out which version I had. Had it been a bunch of 45s with a nice shape Elvis Sun, then morally he would be obligated to pay a hefty premium. Because he would have known right away. I think it was wrong coming into the group and telling the story and then mentioning such a hefty price upfront. A lot of people get offended at someone paying a buck for something and then turning around to try and sell it for thousands even hundreds and it makes it look like gouging. I think that no price should have been quoted, just something like see it at our web page would have been better. I was just talking about this to Steve Propes and he agrees that it has the whole connotation of rubbing it in. Here's something else that I found. Being really honest sometimes doesn't work. Let's say Kevin knew what this was and he decided to be nice and offer a grand for it. There's a good chance that she would have changed her mind about the whole thing. Without having a reasonable expectation about the records being a goldmine, she wasn't expecting some huge price. But if she came in with lots of rare stuff and said take care of me, then that's different. I have been in a local shop here in San Diego a few times where a good price was offered for a few items and the seller said that he had no idea his records were worth so much and then decided not to sell them. Here's a reverse situation. I was in the same store several months ago and the owner had a copy of "Positively 4th Street" in the recent purchased 45s bin for $5. It was VG+. I needed a nice copy so I pulled it out and was about to buy it when the owner said "Let's see if this could be the rare one". He played it and my $5 record suddenly was priced at $35. I know the owner and he gave me a great deal (he probably could have gotten $100 for it). The question is, did he owe me the courtesy of still selling to me for $5? Had I been in the store a few hours earlier, when his help was the only one there, I would have gotten it for $5. So, in closing. I don't think he defrauded the woman, but I do think he shouldn't have come in bragging so much about how little he paid and then how much he wanted. _________________________________ Norm Katuna ------------------ Johnny Carroll Wild wild women Decca 29941 Johnny Carroll Hot rock Decca 30013 Ric Cartey Born to love one woman RCA 6920
"Oh, Mama! Could This Really Be The End?"Subject: Re: RARE Bob Dylan
Date: 27 Feb 1997 15:40:14 -0800
From: Joseph Levy
Newsgroups: rec.music.collecting.vinyl, rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
Norm Katuna wrote: > I think [Kevin] was wrong coming into the group and telling the story > and then mentioning such a hefty price upfront. A lot of people get > offended at someone paying a buck for something and then turning > around to try and sell it for thousands even hundreds and it makes it > look like gouging. Well, if nothing else, perhaps we can agree that Kevin was guilty of bragging a little too loudly. However, imagine the favorable publicity he would have gotten if he had gone back to the seller and offered to give her a cut of the final sale. A good deed like this might have attracted more collectors and collectables. > I was in [a] store several months ago and the owner had a copy of > "Positively 4th Street" in the recent purchased 45s bin for $5... > I pulled it out and was about to buy it when the owner said "Let's see > if this could be the rare one". He played it and my $5 record > suddenly was priced at $35... The question is, > did he owe me the courtesy of still selling to me for $5?... Absolutely! You were clearly cheated. It was sitting in the bin and the owner had plenty of time to evaluate it and decide on a price. Once it was in your hand and you brought it to the register, he was obligated to sell it to you as marked. -JL
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